Market America Scam
December 16, 2011 | Posted by Market America Scam Market America Unfranchise Scam
When I say “Market America” what’s the first thing that comes to mind? For most, the phrase following Market America is SCAM, complaints, or sucks. In fact, Google is well aware that Market America is a scam too. If you start typing in the phrase “Market America,” the number 1 suggestion is Market America SCAM. There is a reason why Google suggests Market America Scam. SCAM is suggested because it is the phrase most frequently searched in conjunction with Market America.
That so many people search the exact phrase Market America Scam is a testament to the fact that the Market America UnFranchise business “opportunity” is a scam and sucks compared to other MLM opportunities, which is why there are so many complaints. Instead of Market America Unfranchise, it is has become Market America Scam. In fact, did you know that the exact phrase “Market America Scam” is searched in Goolge 5400 times a month, and “Market America Unfranchise” is searched a mere 720 times per month. That means Market America is branded as a scam 7.5 times more than it is associated with Unfranchise. Market America and Scam are virtually synonymous. I am a website marketer/ SEO writer for hire and have much knowledge and experience optimizing websites for search engines.
The reason for my complaints and thinking “Market America scam,” is because Market America Unfranchise pays very poorly for your efforts, and in times of a recession, and even when the economy is good, people do NOT want to pay an arm and a leg for vitamins, antioxidants, and energy supplements they can just as easily buy at the dollar store. Do not waste your time with the Market America cult. Market America is a scam and waste of money. I say Market America scam because you pay for nonsensical training to sell their over priced products for a very poor commission. Sure, some people have made some money with Market America, but they should start asking themselves how much money they would have made in a company that offers far better commission rates and marketable products.
Market America has often been referred to as a scam. There are numerous reasons why many people believe market america is a scam. This article will explore these reasons from a website perspective. Consider that people who join market america do not actually own the website www.MarketAmerica.Com. Rather, market america essentially loans their distributors a replicated portion of their website with a reallllllllyyyyyy long and confusing URL. If people simply go to marketamerica.com, you will earn absolutely nothing from the sales generated. So all the talk and selling and putting the word out about MA is useless and a waste of time if people do not go to your specific URL, for example www.marketamerica.com/Your-Specific-URL-that-Noone-Wants-to-Type-in-because-it-is-a-lot-easier-to-just-go-to-the-corporate-version
When you pay money, oftentimes as much as $1-$5 for pay-per-click advertising to market “your” products, people click the ad, decide if they want to buy, and likely come back at a later time. However, when they return, they are not going to type in your long and unmemorable website portal. Why would they? They don’t care about your commission, and probably do not even know that you earn commission at market america.
So where do they wind up? You guessed it, marketamerica.com corporate site. Based on your ads, your word-of-mouth, and your time, energy and efforts, you earn $0 commission for promoting OPC 3 isotonix, or whatever you decided to market. There are literally 100s of thousands of market america distributors, and they are all selling the same exact products. Why would I spend even an extra second to type in your MA URL? How does that help me?
Here’s the unadulterated, no BS lowdown and one of the reasons why there are so many Market America Complaints:
Out of every 100 people to get into a MLM program:
– 98 will lose money. Some will lose a LOT of money.
– 1 will break even.
– 1 will actually make more than they invested. (But almost always no where near the touted possible returns.)
Once an MLM plan hits the web and starts a campaign blitz, the opportunities to be that 1 person out of a 100 are almost nil.
Are you sure this is the route you truly want to take?
I’ve written for a good number of MLM sites.
The ONLY ones who made any money were the ones who created the MLM offer in the 1st place.
Notwithstanding how great the copy is (and I write exceptionally great copy) the market is so saturated with hopefuls wanting to cash in on the offer, no matter how hard they try, they never meet their goals.
If you are determined to throw your money down it will become a bottomless pit.
Market America Unfranchise in all probability won’t make you a dime – but at least you’ll know you’ve given it the old college try.
The web is a fantastic place to make money for inexperienced entrepreneurs, but only for those who have a under-utilized market niche or those helping others to achieve their financial success. I’m afraid polo shirts really don’t fall into a saleable category. (Check e-Bay to see what others are selling them for. If you can beat their prices, then by all means sell on e-bay. I’ll be an inexpensive way to get your feet wet with online commerce.)
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At least 12,000 reps are doing over six figures with us.. around 500 of them have made over a million.. All you have to do is look at the income disclosure statement put out by an independent firm..
Im Done with you now, Im not going to respond to a rant over the difference of 1 or 2% .. I was bringing up some numbers that i saw awhile back. Im close enough aside from the the fact that I thinks its only, actually about 4-5% that do a six figure income in the industry as a whole..
Not that I even care but It might have been 80% do 80K or something.. its been awhile since ive seen the numbers.. Still doesnt make my point wrong, Including the 16/4/1. Yes we would have world domination in 6 years, thats why we are doing so well and have so much potential. I said it works.. I DIDNT say everyone does it.. Im not getting into this again.. I DONT EVEN DO IT consistently.. It can be hard work because you have to deal with allot of rejection and people like you that try to steal peoples dreams.. Many people will give up after the 4th call with a negative response so they never even get to a 16/4/1 rythm consistently.. We have to thank people like you for that.. Rather than encouraging someone that wants something better out of life you bash them..
Gotta have thick skin.. Not everyone has it nor will they bother to “show up” and get it.. If it wasnt for negative people like you the success rates would be much higher.. Just have to find the people with vision thats all,,Your points again are moot, pointless and im not going to take this any further as ive already addressed all this.. .
KOBIE:
*Activated 7 months in
*I have about 60-70 reps total active..
*recruited about 8 myself.. 1 quit out of my personals, and probably around 8-10 have quit total out of the entire team..
In MLM you would need about 400 to 1000 reps to do what I do in income. One of the many differences between us and MLM is that you dont have to be some superstar that can recruit people faster than they quit..
“After all….if it’s on the Internet, it must be true, right? by TonyRush”
Man, I’m mad. I’m so mad I can’t see straight. And I’m not just being emotional. I’m an intelligent person and I’m speaking from experience. Don’t make the mistake I did or you’ll regret it.
Gold’s Gym is a scam. In fact, I think the whole fitness club industry is a scam.
I saw pictures of people who were fit and trim and beautiful. And I wanted to be fit and trim and beautiful. So, I paid the $30 fee to come every month.
Then, guess what! No one told me that I had to pay extra for those power-bar snacks that were on the counter. Or that my membership fee didn’t include the sports drinks. Or that a personal trainer wasn’t included.
These things should have been my first red flags.
But, still I was excited that I might be able to lose some weight and start looking good. So I ignored the warning signals and started working out.
Well, I did everything they told me to do. I worked my legs a little. I didn’t work out my arms because I hurt it one time in the past working out and I was afraid I’d get hurt again. So I skipped the arms.
I worked out my back. I worked my stomach a little bit but I decided I didn’t want to push myself too hard. Plus, I was getting hungry after all this working out so I went and bought a powerbar. SIX DOLLARS! I kid you not. If I hadn’t been so hungry, I wouldn’t have bought one. But one of the guys who worked out there said he used them for daily snacks and he looked pretty good. So I thought I’d “try” one.
Anyway. That’s not what made me mad. I’m coming to that part.
This all went on for a few days. I even spent $100 on workout clothes. It wasn’t required but other people in the gym had them so I thought I’d get some, too.
In fact, I spent another $100 on a pair of new workout shoes. I picked a pair that I felt like I could still use even if I stopped working out. You never know if things are going to pan out the way you want, you know?
Anyway…one day, I was talking to a guy in the locker room. I noticed he was about 40 pounds overweight and he told me he’d been coming to the gym for SIX MONTHS. I did the math in my head…”If this guy has been here for six months, why isn’t he thin and trim yet???”
That’s when the warning bells went off again. This whole thing might just be a scam to get people’s money. I mean, this guy wasn’t mad or anything….in fact, he was excited that he’d lost some weight….BUT HE’S STILL OVERWEIGHT! And he’s spending that money every month…and Gold’s Gym just keeps taking it!
Then I thought, “I should get on the Internet and look up Gold’s Gym!”. I don’t know why I didn’t do that before! So, I went to Google and typed in “Gold’s Gym scam” and you won’t believe what I found!
Seriously.
Did you know that 80% of the people who join Gold’s Gym cancel their membership within the first year? That 95% of the people who join Gold’s Gym have never won a fitness contest? Or gotten a job as a model?
I found one lady online who said she joined Gold’s Gym and the manager of the gym said she needed a personal trainer to help her create a “fitness plan” and to keep her on track. Guess what? She said it cost her an additional $200 a WEEK! What a ripoff! She DID say that she lost some weight while she was going but that — after she stopped going every day — the weight came back. She fired the trainer and said it was all a scam, too.
I even found one story about a guy who said that they Gold’s Gym stole his money. He was supposed to get a promotional price of $19 a month but when he got his credit card statement, he found out that they were charging him $30 a month. Of course they corrected it but…..still…..that’s pretty shady, don’t you think?
Anyway….
As if that wasn’t enough, some friends and I were at McDonald’s the other day and I mentioned something about Gold’s Gym. My friend Susan said that she’d tried Gold’s Gym a few years ago and got NO results at all. She laughed that I’d fallen for it, too. I was so mad I almost spilled my milkshake.
Anyway….after I read all the stuff on the Internet about Gold’s Gym and talked to some of my friends, I decided to quit. I don’t deal with scam artists. They’re just in it for the money. They act like they’re interested in people’s health but I guarantee you that — if no one paid them — they’d close up shop. So much for their “mission”, huh? If they’re so interested in helping people be trim and fit, why don’t they just do it for free?
And I’m beginning to think that those fit, trim, beautiful people in the Gym are part of the scam, anyway. Gold’s Gym probably pays them to come in there and work out so they can sell more memberships.
Am I saying that exercise doesn’t work? No, I’m not saying that. I’m sure it does. I’m just saying that you have to be careful when you join these big fancy gyms with the full-color brochures and all the stories of how people are getting results.
Because the truth is that those people are probably coming in there EVERY day to work out (not just sometimes)…..they’ve probably changed their eating habits (which no one mentioned to me)…and you can bet that they’re all buying a lot of extra stuff from the Gym that’s not part of their regular membership fee.
So, take it from me: Gold’s Gym is a rip-off. I know. I’ve been there. The idea that you can come in and work out every day and start looking fit and trim SOUNDS good….but that’s just to get you in the door and get your money.
Remember what they say, “If it sounds too good to be true…it probably is.”
Anyway, all this has taught me a lesson. I’m not going to get suckered again. Next time I see someone or something that can supposedly “improve my life”, I’ll think twice.
Whether it’s a diet…..a home business…..or just an idea….I’ll go check it out on Google first.
After all….if it’s on the Internet, it must be true, right?
Tongue firmly in cheek,
Tony Rush
TonyRush”
@Mssi2
Thank you. You have just dug your own grave. So you say around 500 Distributors make over a million/year and at least 12,000 Distributors make over six-figures? LIES!
I’ll use MARKET AMERICA’S OWN 2009 ANNUAL REPORT!!!
Goto : http : / / images . marketamerica . com / lib / downloads / USA / corporate / AnnualReport . pdf
Now turn to the top of page 2, and I quote:
“In 2008, Independent
Distributors and UnFranchise
Owners were paid $108
million in commissions. Since
the company’s inception in
1992 to the end of 2009’s first
quarter, the total amount of
commissions paid was over
$921 million.”
So, mssi2, in 2008, $108 million was paid out in commissions. But wait! If around 500 people make over 1 million per year, this would imply that Market America pays TO THESE PEOPLE ALONE A TOTAL OF AT LEAST $500 MILLION PER YEAR.
Now, let’s factor in the 11,500 (12,000 – 500), who earn at least $100,000. What do you get? An additional 1,150,000,000. That’s a total of AT LEAST $1,650,000,000 paid out in commissions EACH YEAR!!! That’s 1.65 BILLION!!!
Mssi2, can you say SELF OWNAGE??? CARE TO EXPLAIN THIS???
Mssi2, the US population is about 300 million, half of which are female. Being off by even 1% is equivalent to claiming that somehow an additional 1.5 million females in the US make over six-figures. LMAO! Oh, and btw, if you redo the number for 2010 (I used 2009 numbers) then you are off by over 2.2%, which means you are off by over 3 million female six-figure earners!!!
And regarding your 16/4/1 System, you have uttered yet another half-truth. You just said you don’t do it yourself consistently. WRONG!!! The real answer is you don’t do it AT ALL! Cranwood proved that even if you made 1 call PER DAY you would still grow at a FRANTIC pace, IF the 16/4/1 System held true. And since you admit to only having maybe 70 people in your network, there is no way IN THE WORLD that you use this magical fantasy known as the 16/4/1 System.
So you are done with me? This is an obvious sign that you sense your inevitable defeat. I dare you to prove me wrong.
Ha ha… I cant believe you wasted all that time on that…. ha ha.. I never said there were 500 people making over a million/year,,, I said “500 HAVE MADE over a million period… ha ha..The rest of the crap doesnt have enough merrit to even respond to because its conjecture.
If you stop taking stuff out of context, for whatever weird personal gain you are getting from this, you would see that the company has paid out over 2.4 Billion in retail profit and commissions.. Roughly 60% of every dollar they bring in goes back to the field.
How convenient that you only pick out the numbers that suit your personal agenda. If it wanst done on purpose then I suggest you at least learn how to read a financial report before you pull from it.
Based on the mess you have presented here you are obviously not qualified to do either. It shows very BOLDY to anyone with ANY resemblance of business sense. Your a funny dude and im sure your opinions make sense to you and perhaps even to others with no business experience or meaningful success of their own. To someone that is savvy though,and not looking for excuses for themselves or reasons to justify their lot in life, your synopsys probably doesnt make much sense at all.
This is not a fit for everyone.. Just because you dont like it for whatever reason does not make it a sham.. Im making good money and the people on my team are making money or they would have quit by now…
Look up Mindy Grossman if you want to research.. Look at her background, what she has done and where she is now.. and ask yourself why would she not have a problem with a strategic partnership and branding efforts with our company..
I think companies like Walmart, Home Depot, Sears and 4000 other companies just might have a few more business resources to do their due dilligence before working and launching into business with us than you do.. Ill bet they even did a little more than look at message boards before making their business decisions and coming to their conclusions. Are you saying you know more about this company than THEY do?
I think Google and Microsoft might have actually checked our background out as well before going into business with us.. Hmmm over 4Billion in sales without an unresolved complaint. to the BBB and an A+ rating.. Do you have any idea how rare an A+ rating is for a 20 year old company with over 17 million customers 100,000+ distributors and over 4B in sales?? (ALL complaints resolved were ruled in favor of the company by the way) Seriously Dude, That much volume, customers and distributors with only 11 complaints in the last 3 years???? Are you kidding me?? (they could have even been in referance to a Sears or Home depot Etc.. we dont know if they were even directed towards MA) Compared to Sears with 6000+ complaints in the last 12 months?? Or Amazon.com with over 3000 complaints..
Ill respect your opinion when you prove to me you have as much credibility in business, operations and distribution as the afore mentioned companies and CEO’s..
If your going to go off on a rant about a company you should at least qualify yourself to do so.. You cant win an argument with me because Im just sharing my experience, and its all good aside from typical bumps in the road and the negative, uninformed people we have to deal with that is…
There is not going to be any pleasing you no matter what I say youll just say Im lying or something.. ha ha Its truly pointless to go on from here..
@mssi2
LMAO!!! Is this what cowards do when they get challenged?
Mssi2, let’s suppose NO ONE makes a million/year at Market America. Let’s just work off your claim that at least 12,000 make six-figures. This implies Market America pays out….$1.2 BILLION IN COMMISSIONS!!!
Let’s turn to the best source for numbers we can find! I’ll use MARKET AMERICA’S OWN 2009 ANNUAL REPORT!!! AGAIN!!!
Goto : http : / / images . marketamerica . com / lib / downloads / USA / corporate / AnnualReport . pdf
Now turn to the top of page 2, and I quote:
“In 2008, Independent
Distributors and UnFranchise
Owners were paid $108
million in commissions. Since
the company’s inception in
1992 to the end of 2009’s first
quarter, the total amount of
commissions paid was over
$921 million.”
CAN YOU SAY OWNAGE???
THIS IS NOT “CONJECTURE”, AS YOU CLAIM. IT IS SIMPLE MATH, WHICH UP TO THIS POINT YOU FAIL TO ACKOWLEDGE. COME ON, MSSI2. GOT THE GUTS TO RESPOND??? MUAHAHAHAHAAHA!!!!
Is this the part that you feel is not worthy….(LMFAO!!!)…..of a response??? HAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHHAAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHHHAAHHAAHHAHAHHAH!!!
COME ON, MSSI2, HOW ARE YOU GOING TO ADDRESS YOUR CLAIM???
Oh, and don’t think I’ll let you get away with your “around 500 make a million” statement. EVERYONE here knows what you’re trying to do.
And one more thing. Your lame tactic of trying to discredit me will not work here. If you will not address your statement, it will show everyone how fictitious you really are.
I was using your made up number of number of 200,00 reps to make the math percentages work out.. We actually have probably less than 100,000 active distributors I dont even know… Nor do I care.. Like I said, Im making money and my team is making money.. What difference does it make about anything else anyway..You would actually need the exact number of distributors to make your math work..Dont get all excited.. Im still in the ballpark with my estimations.. Even if you or I am little off on the numbers my point is and was that this is the most successful model in the industry.That was the point I was trying to make.. We got off on this rail because you cant disprove that, so you keep reaching while trying to create something sensational… Give it a rest dude.. Its ok to be wrong.. Pulling numbers from 3 years ago doesnt help you either..Our sales have gone up around 30% year over year since then… But then again Im probably a complete fraud if the growth was actually only 29.5%… right?.. If you look at the income disclosure statement which has all your equations already worked out for you you would see that even back in 2007 approx 5% of the distributors did at least 50K/year.. So if we had 200,000 reps that would be about 10,000 doing at least 50K/ year.. The numbers have gone up dramatically since then.. Compare that to The industry average of less than .02% making that income and you have a company that has a substantially higher success rate… Some 20 to 80 times higher depending on who you compare it to…
Thats 5% INCLUDING the ones that “didnt even show up for work”
@ mssi2
Wow, you have just proven that you are completely full of crap. You said yourself that there were over 200,000 reps in MA’s history, with an 82% retention rate. Now you are saying this is Nathan’s “made up number”?? Now you say there are probably less than 100,000 active distributors??
How could you have said yourself that there were 200,000+ reps with an 82% retention rate, and now you are saying there are less than 100,000??????????? Just look back at the earlier comments and there is proof of your false claims.
Obviously you just invent numbers and state that they are facts. And everything else is just “conjecture” or “agenda”, and none of us have any business knowledge. From your writing skills and grammar, I doubt you even know what “conjecture” means, and you are by far less educated than any of us.
You say that there are hardly any consumer complaints about MA products? That’s because most of the products are bought by MA distributors themselves because they can’t sell it to anyone else with a brain. Just ask yourself how much time you devote to recruiting people vs. how much time you spend actually trying to sell the products. Then that will tell you exactly what type of company you work for.
And you get really angry when people try to debate with you. What are you going to do? Beat us up? I feel sorry for your wife and family. Must’ve been a sad Christmas at the Mssi household… did everybody just get giftwrapped bottles of OPC?
Nathan Tam is absolutely destroying you.
We do somewhere around 1 to 3 million in sales per week of 1 product alone to people who are NOT distributors, Repeat sales that is…. I forget the exact number but its somewhere in that range.. It was an obvious guess at MA having 200K reps over its tenure, taking into consideration people that have come and gone…..I also said Idont know how many there are or were.. So yes I must be an idiot.. I have been scammed..Looks like I have to wait for the other “winners” to get home from their jobs before they are allowed to respond….. You have not won on ANY single point you have made yet you continue to give it a go…. Give it up already.. Ive debunked every scenario you have thrown at me yet you keep saying im getting “destroyed”.. What freakin planet are you from??.. If it makes you feel better YOU RIGHT my grammar sucks… Now you can be happy about your existence..
Mr wilson wrote “You say that there are hardly any consumer complaints about MA products?”..
Here is another case of you twisting things for your agenda… I said no such thing, I said there were only 11 complaints against the company.. and we have….. OH….. never mind….. you guys are a waste of time and energy…. Im not repeating this again.. Re-read that and see if you can spin it some other way now…
@ mssi2
I think you are just realizing that you are full of crap, and now you are trying to take back your own words. Here are some statements directly quoted from you:
“Mssi2 says:
December 29, 2011 at 5:15 pm
Funny how we have had at least 200,000 distributors in our 20 years…… We alo have over 10 million happy customers.. ”
“mssi says:
December 24, 2011 at 2:33 pm
.. We have an 82% retention rate and Never a down quarter of growth since the companies inception.. ”
“mssi2 says:
December 29, 2011 at 8:26 am
I Get my numbers from corporate data base and MY OWN sales organization.. My organization is over 96% retention over 3 years..Those are factual numbers staring me in the face every day.”
I’m not sure how I could be twisting anything, when I quote what you, yourself, said. Not once did you say that these were “obvious guesses.” You were actually adamant that these were “facts.” How is anyone supposed to believe anything you say, when you just deny it later on?
You are a very angry person. You need to take some of that 60k you claim on your 1099 and spend it on anger management classes.
And again, first you say:
“mssi2 says:
December 29, 2011 at 8:26 am
I Get my numbers from corporate data base and MY OWN sales organization.. My organization is over 96% retention over 3 years..Those are factual numbers staring me in the face every day.”
Then you say:
“mssi2 says:
January 17, 2012 at 7:52 pm
*Activated 7 months in
*I have about 60-70 reps total active..
*recruited about 8 myself.. 1 quit out of my personals, and probably around 8-10 have quit total out of the entire team..”
Ummm.. 96% retention rate in your own organization?? Factual numbers staring you in the face?? All it takes is simple math to prove you are full of crap. And that’s a fact.
Ha ha.. Im not angry at all.. Im loving life and getting quite a chuckle out of this… Ok lets do some simple math then..70 reps and 8 quit is 89% retention which is actually higher than the 82%.. The ones in MY ORGANIZATION that I have helped developed total about 30 reps 1 has quit.. which is actually around 97%..
Yes im pretty sure the company has had at least 200,000 reps over its tenure.. Its advertised as having 180,000 right now.. My guess is that there are only about 100,000 that put any effort in if that.. I think the 82% retention they talk about is most likely from the last 5-8 years.. I doubt they had 82% retention the first 10 years.. My point in even saying that was only to compare it to the network marketing industry which has only about a 3% retention rate.. Quite impressive.. With an 80 point spread does it matter if im off by even 10%??
Does it really matter that much to you if Im of a percentage point?? I know Im not exactly accurate I didnt go do an exact count.. I might have 75 Distributors I might have 65.. Im not even sure cause I dont feel like going in to count.. I laid out some pretty good ballpark figures.. If i had known I would get called to task on a VERY moot percentage point or two, I might have tried to be more accurate… Im close enough to make the point I was trying to make..
I was just trying to make some simple points and tell you you werent being fair by bashing a company because you have a problem with one person or even at all if you have not walked a mile in my shoes… You couldnt disprove anything I said so you kept adding to the list.. ive overcome EVERY SINGLE thing you have challenged me on.. Whats next? Oh i was off by 1/10th of one percent of the numbers I guessed at so therefore the company is a complete sham? …
Whats next?
Yeah but,, yeah but, yeah but, yeah but… What ? How come i dont drive a $200,000 car? How come I didnt buy a $5 million house??
Heres a good one. I still have a mortgage on one of my properties…. HOLY COW —-SCAM!!!.. I know, Right? Im telling everyone they are going to get rich in 3 days and I still have a mortgage?… What a total sham.. You guys totally destroyed me and my credibility huh?… ha ha
Yeah but,, yeah but, yeah but,,,
@ mssi2
It is pretty amusing to see you get more and more defensive when people expose you for your blatant lies. Now, you are changing the numbers again just to they can conveniently suit your previous claims. Pathetic.
@mssi2
LOL it is becoming very clear what you are, mssi2. You are an expert word twister, whose “facts” are becoming weaker and weaker the more we pry for the truth.
So your justification for your “at least 12,000 reps are doing six-figures with [Market America]” is:
“I was using your made up number of number of 200,000 reps to make the math percentages work out.. ”
How very interesting, mssi2, that you would say this 200,000 reps figure is MY made up number. HAHAHA as Mr. Wilson has already pointed out, this is what YOU said. But you know what? Since your “facts” seem to be getting flakier by the second, why don’t we base things off of what Market America’s posted numbers are. On Market America’s homepage – w w w . marketamerica . c o m – scroll to the bottom where it CLEARLY states that the following:
“Market America has over 3 million Preferred Customers and over 180,000 global Shop Consultants and UnFranchise® Business Owners.”
So let’s keep things FACTUAL and work with 180,000 reps.
Now before I continue, I want to share with you something that I find absolutely hilarious, and that you, after all this time, haven’t figured out yet. Here it is: the more you brag about how many people are making six-figure and seven-figure incomes at Market America, THE HIGHER THE FAILURE RATE YOU ARE IMPLYING!!!
Of course more educated people like Mr. Wilson can see this right off the bat, however I’m going to slow down for others who may not be quite as educated. I won’t say who. (LOL)
First, let’s define the definition of Failure. To be fair to you, Mssi2, let’s say Failure is defined as earning $0 commissions. (Note, mssi2, this is a VERY lenient definition. $0 commissions earned actually implies a loss, not a break-even state, due to offsetting expenses)
Ok, I think we’ve been more than fair to you, Mssi2, so let’s move on:
Suppose you claim that 11,500 Market America reps make a six-figure income. This implies that at least $1.15 BILLION was paid out in commissions TO THESE INDIVIDUALS ALONE for 2008, which contradicts the fact that Market America paid out a total of only $108 million in 2008. Therefore it is NOT the case that 11,500 reps make six-figures. (Translation: your prior claim of at least 11,500 reps making six-figures is nothing more than a FABRICATED LIE!)
Now let’s suppose you somehow weasel your way into making the weaker claim that only 1,080 Market America reps make a six-figure income. This implies that at least $108 million was paid out in commissions TO THESE INDIVIDUALS ALONE for 2008. Now, this would further imply that, at minimum, the other 178,920 reps (180,000 – 1,080) earn $0 commissions, therefore the failure rate is AT LEAST 178,920/180,000 = $99.4% Failure Rate!!! ROFL!!!!
Now let’s suppose you decide to get REALLY FLAKY on us (I wouldn’t put it past you), and somehow claim that NO ONE at Market America makes a six-figure income, and that our earlier interpretation of your claims were just “conjecture”. Zero six-figure earners implies Market America is too difficult to earn a six-figure income, and is not worth pursuing. However, the failure rate could theoretically be 0, in the case where every rep earns $600/year ($108 million divided by 180,000 reps = $600/rep). In this case, no one fails, but no one’s rich. Either way, this would imply Market America SUCKS BALLS!!!
Now, mssi2, I WILL LET YOU PICK YOUR POISON!!! Go ahead and state HOWEVER MANY SIX-FIGURE, AND SEVEN-FIGURE EARNERS, YOU WANT!!! MUAHAHAHAHAHHA!!!! COME ON, MSSI2!!! GIVE US YOUR NEXT FACT-OF-THE-DAY!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!
Mssi2, if you do not answer, it will only exacerbate your already dubious credibility.
You couldnt be more wrong,, All you have to do.. LIKE I SAID.. 3 or 4 times is look at the IDS Jackass…
Those numbers are not convieneint for you, obviously, so you wont use them. If the math doesnt work out in your favor its best to make up your own i see..
Stop trying to make things perfect. – The real world doesn’t reward perfectionists, it rewards people who get things done.. Get over it already.. enough.. This yeah , but yeah, but yeah but,.. Crap is annoying..
@ mssi2
We’re still waiting, mssi2. Please tell us:
a) How many Market America reps are six-figure earners?
b) How many Market America reps are seven-figure earners?
Come on, mssi2, answer the question. Before you wanted to brag so much about how many six-figure and seven-figure earners Market America has. Now’s your chance.
FOR THE 5TH TIME NOW…. Its on the IDS look it up yourself.. you obviously wont believe it when I say it..
@ mssi2
You just make yourself look dumber and dumber. After reading your comments, why would anyone in their right mind ever want to join Market America? Is this your brilliant way of recruiting people? By telling obvious lies, and then getting more and more defensive and angry when your lies are exposed? If you are representative of what Market America stands for, then anyone who sees this website will have no choice but to stay far, far away. I’m surprised other Market Americans haven’t seen this site and just tell you to shut your idiotic mouth before you make things even worse for the company.
@ mssi2
Still waiting, mssi2. Please tell us:
a) How many Market America reps are six-figure earners?
b) How many Market America reps are seven-figure earners?
The point of this exercise is not to have me look up these figures for myself. The point is to ask someone who promotes, or at least poses, himself as someone who’s knowledgeable about Market America statistics. And since you claim to get your facts from MA’s corporate database and your own MA organization, you seem like just the ticket!
Come on, mssi2. Step up. Show us all your knowledge and power! Answer my two-part question above. You seemed so eager and willing before. What happened? Did my little lesson on the relationship between high income earners and Failure Rates phase you?
Face it, mssi2. Anyone who reads these posts as they stand now will give you zero credibility, so at this point it’s only logical to continue with your utopian claims to re-establish your credibility and, much more importantly, MA’s goodwill.
You are at a crossroads, mssi2. Don’t respond, and lose your credibility. Do respond, and lose your pride. Take your pick.
Please leave poor mssi alone lol, or he will sell you a ticket to the convention. Hahaha
@ Louis
LOL mssi2 is finished. All he does is throw out random numbers and hopes no one will challenge him. He banks off the fact that It’s not intuitive to challenge someone who speaks with such conviction in his claims, especially statistical claims, even if they’re false. Can you imagine? This is how he recruits people. He outright lies to them about income figures and success rates and then weasels is way out later when it turns out not quite as planned.
In any case, I’m glad he’s gone. Now we can disseminate the truth about Market America to those who are left in the dark.
FYI Mr. Wilson,
Jessie Yang’s wife just got him a new born baby.
I’m not a victim of the MA. I went to Penn State, which I think it’s the strongest team. I went there for four days and attend three days seminar. It was awful and feel so sorry that my female friend is doing that now (She was my middle school friend). However, Im lucky and Strong enough to not get brainwashing by them. It was a very strong brainwashing. Just want to say thank you to Mr. Wilson. What you said is so true. I will wait and see all of them who is doing MA now to success in as short as 5 years. I will congrats them if they do success. However, if they fail and become so regret and poor, I won’t be surprising too. They are everywhere, so just be careful for anyone out there. Their purpose is not to be your friend, but want you to be in their team and underline. That’s all they want you to be. And it’s the Whole purpose, no matter how skillful they are or how good their strategy is. Miami Convention is approaching (Biggest brainwashing by their CEO), I assume they will get much stronger. I just can’t wait to see all of them fail….
I want to say to all MA people or even if u r my friend who is doing MA. MA is not a scam. There are people success in it, but the chance is so little and so poor that it’s nearly impossible for people who are not even graduate from college to success. You need to be educated and know business in order to success. Money does not come easy.
I know one of the Taiwanese director post on his facebook saying “Why I do what I do now? Why I do ma, why I do sales, why I become an Entrepreneur? Why I do network marketing? Why I started business? Why I do the things other people think is stupid? Because I NEVER want to ASK anyone for anything and NEVER look at people’s face. Can I this can I that? Can you this can you that? I do it because I feel like to and I CAN.”
Sorry, You do MA because you can’t find a full time job or find a job good enough to support yourself. You are not even graduate from university and you are expecting to have 6 digits paycheck from a company you know nothing about it.
See all MA people success in as short as 5 years. If you do fail, I wish you fail so hard that you guys would never stand up again.
Like I said the more people succeed in MA 100 times more people suffer under them.
Agree~
As a former representative of MA and the Unfranchise system I still fully support the concept and corporate team. The only reason I am not doing the business anymore is because after my devastating divorce with my ex-wife in the States I wanted a complete life change so I moved to China three years ago to follow a dream to study mandarin. I have not onlhy made money with Market America, but people “under” me within my organization have made more money than I did. The people I used to work with in my organization were your average professionals that held a typical 9-5 for many years. Most of them started off as MA customers primarily with the nutritionals and got good results then they were introduced to the business concept. In the organization my friend and I started back in 2005 there are many people earning between $2100/month – $18,000 per month. I experienced this with my own eyes. The compensation plan works and is the best in the industry. If you carefully study the compensation plan and run some numbers you will see that it pays out more than any other compensation plan in the Direct Selling industry; one of the key reasons is that it’s NOT MLM. I have personally done nearly 10 different MLM companies and saw little success personally, and no success within the team; however, in Market America I experienced personal success and also saw a lot of success within my team(BTW, before joining MA in 2005 I analyzed the compensation plans of more than 30 different direct selling companies). The success DOES NOT come easy and it takes a lot of hard work. Is there anything worth while in life that doesn’t take hard work? I worked really hard to get a college degree, got out and realized the dream I had been sold while growing up was a scam. The way we are taught to live is a scam, if that’s what you want to label it. The problem is there are many people out there that want to experience immediate success, or immediate results, but aren’t willing to put forth the effort to do it (this goes for ALL aspects of LIFE, not just business.) I like the Gold’s Gym example above. I have lost weight 3 times and gotten my body fat percentage down to 6%. Do you think I went to the gym occasionally, and still ate pizzas and burgers everyday? There’s no way in the world. Sacrifices need to be made to get ahead. I hear a lot of people say that MA and other Direct selling companies sell a lot of hype. It’s true for the other companies I have experienced, but I experienced something different with MA. MA taught me how to improve myself and make myself stronger and how to work smart and build a business. MA didn’t just teach me how to build an Unfranchise, but I also learned how I can apply what I learned from them into real estate in NYC. because of my MA training I was able to earn between $15,000 to $32,000 per month doing real estate in Manhattan! (Thanks MA and JR for that one!) Now, I am in China and I am fluent in Chinese and ended up starting a business in Beijing (btw, if you can do business in China, you can do business anywhere. Talk about beauracracy and corruption in gov’t….) Thanks MA for teaching me how to persevere, my company in China has already started this year off to a great start and we are on track to become a publicly traded company very soon! All of the money I spent on MA training seminars etc, has paid me back many fold. Until you really get in there and experience the whole truth (not just attending a meeting, you need to get out there and do it, which you can get started for free) you shouldn’t bash it. Yes, people have good experiences and bad experiences with EVERY company. Name one company that no one has ever had a bad experience with. My point is simply, I miss MA and being around all of the positive, forward looking people. MA is really doing something different than I have ever seen in the direct selling industry, my friends are still building their Unfranchises and are making a lot of money with it now. I remember when we started from zero and had nothing. They are doing great and helping a lot of people both financially and with the products (I have had a lot of personal success with the products as well). I hope every one can achieve the success it is they want in life regardless of how small, or large it may be.
FYI, I will probably never be on this forum again due to the firewall here in China. Also, i just came across this randomly today while researching some info after I heard my friend just hit another success milestone and is earning over $2,000 per week.
I’m tired of hearing this shit
@ Don
You’re a joke. Every sentence you wrote has a blatantly transparent purpose behind it. Next time, try to be a bit more subtle if you want to fool anyone with half a brain into joining Market Scamerica.
The only thing you’ve proven, Don, is how much Market Scamericans can lie. If I were to take everything you just said and put a giant “NOT” after it, it would all make so much sense.
Don, perhaps you can help us to shed some light on the truth. Consider this an opportunity to redeem yourself.
a) How many Market America reps are six-figure earners?
b) How many Market America reps are seven-figure earners?
Looking forward to hearing your response. I’m certain you’ll see my post. You know how? B/c you said you wouldn’t be back.
My wife and friends all got into this. Lots of broken promises, expired and unusable vitamins, and strained friendships later, we are a lot less well off for it. Basically if you don’t scam your friends and family into it, you are not going to do well.
It is always disappointing when our “Friends” mislead us. Unfortunately in all business there are unethical people – Attorneys, Doctors, Teachers, Contractors. It is always important to research any business and see if it is a good fit. My logical side does not fault the profession or business – but the variable is the people. And I would not associate with anyone that is not ethical. I have found that most people are always shocked at who they call their “friends”, most people are just people when have shared some time. Hang in there – there are good people out there -
Interestingly enough, mssi2 is currently trying to recruit me into this get rich scheme. He posts opportunities on facebook, twitter and other sites to help the under privileged to succeed in the their business. I was directed to him to him though SCORE and the and the Chambers of Commerce, in my venture to start my own business . We set up a meeting thinking that he was going to help me to promote my business, and he shows up with his wife and a team of MA’s and they starting pitching the Market America Business in full attire.- “pretty much taking me hostage”. There was a whole team of wolfs in sheep’s clothing there and I felt very intimidated. One hand wash the other was his motto. If you help me, I’ll help you to grow your business, but first I need a check from you for 399.00 + tax to buy a web portal, then I would have to buy products and get 10 customers for starters to sell these products too. I was very disappointed in the fact that this was a total misrepresentation. First of all, money is tight, really!!! To take my last check and hand it to him seemed pretty much like high way robbery After much thought and consideration, I decided to blow him off. It’s not worth my time debating and calling him to make excuses why I can’t join this organization. But thank God that there are forums like this that actually spread some real light on the situation. Victim, I think NOT!!!.
Empty barrels make the most noise! You guys seem like you love to be heard, but all this energy that you are wasting is not paying any of you. “not a victim” go start your business and let us know how that goes and how much time and energy you have to put into it before you start making enough money to support yourself.
My family and i have quiet a few “traditional” businesses that has alot of overhead and is way more work than is reqire to work a ma business, but we do it anyway because its our business. No matter what busines you decide to go into its gonna cost you something weather it is time, energy or money. Nothing worth having comes easy except salvation. if you dont like what other people are doing with THEIR life thats fine, go get a life of your own and talk about that.
@ notavictim
Hello notavictim, great to hear there are people with good heads on their shoulders. You know there’s something wrong when they have to bring in their entire entourage just to see you. He posts on Facebook and Twitter? May I ask, what is his name on Facebook and Twitter? How about his wife? I’m interested in taking a look at what he has to say and what he posts.
My best friend joined this cult called MA. No one is making money. Not him, not his uplines, and needless to say not his downlines. The more one invests into MA the more one loses, which is true of any scam. My friend is almost completely destitute, and I want to help him get better.
Thanks in Advance!
Aya….you guys talk to much,is easy to talk”doing” not so good, mouth don’t cost, bla bla bla….the truth is if opening bussnis for couple years…..Im not sure if you will see the money…
Is there life and there money,some people like to complin don’t know anyting!
What the hell did Pikatin just say? That made no sense whatsoever.
This company is a pyramid scheme. They say it isn’t but the diagram that they show you during the presentaion is in the shape or a triangle. Looks like a pyramid to me. Any company that requires you to have at least 2 people under you to get a check is a pyramid. They make you buy their overpriced products up front. Your total cost will be between $600 and $900. Then every month they require you to purchase what they call a transfer buy. It consists of their merchandise. The transfer buy is more than $100. You have to do all this stupid training and go to these conventions where they try to keep you motivated. The people who run this business are really good friends with the Kardashians. They were even on an episode of Keeping up with the Kardashians. I would not want to me associated with them at all.
I am friend Jessie Yang’s sister. She tell me recently their father past away. Very sad news. Jessie Yang even use their father’s death to promote his own MA agenda. Truth is – Jessie Yang was not good terms with father. He even hit his father. Throw his father on table few years ago. How sad. Very shameful!
@ notavictim I must say Im a little taken aback by the Blatant lies and fictitious stories on here…. I have no Idea what SCORE is… I brought my wife with me ONE time to meet with someone and that was almost 2 years ago.. I havnt done anything with the Chamber of commerece for at least a year.. The startup cost of $399 just started a couple months ago… I have NEVER showed up with a group of people, ever.. Nor has ANYONE else I know of EVER done that to someone… It is against company policy to ask anyone to sign up on the spot or on an initial meeting Or at a business presentation… I have NEVER asked someone to go into business with me or even mention startup cost on an initial meeting.. I have NEVER asked anyone to join me in business until they have been to several trainings and know the whole story.. My twitter account is a whole 2 weeks old.
I am absolutely floored, and beside myself with such horrible lies like that…. Its pathetic and inexcusable.. If i had met with you I would have turned you down like I do most of the people I talk to about the company…
You are absolutely clueless, Dis-honest and you should be ashamed of yourself. I would have picked up on that instability in the first 30 seconds.. What makes you think you would be worth a meeting with more than one person? OK so your Broke and going to whatever SCORE is for help and someone is going to call in a whole group of business partners to meet with you because your just THAT special….. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha…. I AM the heavy hitter ha ha.. When people need help they call ME.. Not the other way around .. On the other hand Ill say some prayers for you because you obviously have some sort of mental issue.. I hope things get better for you.
@ Ming
wowow that is terrible! how did jesse promote MA agenda using his father’s death? At funeral?
Market America is definitely a scam, and follows in the footsteps of its big brother, Amway. JR Ridinger essentially took the Amway business model, which history has shown is a HUGE SCAM, and added in a whole bunch of smoke n’ mirrors to make it seem as though it’s something different. JR Ridinger has fancy names for this smoke, like “binomial expansion” and “vertical marketing”, but really this smoke is just a way to distribute commissions more evenly throughout the Distributor System compared to its predecessor, Scamway…whoops I mean Amway. In the end of the day, a redistribution of existing wealth within the Distributor System isn’t what the doctor ordered. The doctor’s orders are simple: add more wealth into the system by providing Distributors more profit margin. Unfortunately for product-based pyramid schemes like Market America and Amway, doing so would push up their prices to the point that it’s no longer justifiable with the all too common Distributor’s “Yes it’s expensive, but it’s a super duper magical genie formula that’s been proven to cure cancer” rhetoric.
As for Jesse, he’s a snake. His relationship with his family, who TRULY understands Jesse’s situation, is in shambles. Jesse is up to his eyeballs in debt, and he owes THOUSANDS of dollars to MANY family members. He also openly refuses to pay them back. And yet, he’s a Director in Market America, one of the highest positions attainable at the company.
@Joey Chong
It is sad and pathetic what Jesse Yang has become. Believe me, I was good friends with him for many years before he joined the whole MA garbage. He’s borrowed thousands from his friends and family, and refuses to pay anyone back. The last time I asked him about his unpaid loan to me, he acted as if I was the bad guy… he said I should be ashamed of myself for even asking him to repay the loan. And instead of repaying me, he tried again to get me to leave my career and join MA under him.
@Ming
I am speechless. All I can say is that Jesse will have to face his karma one day.
Great Comments!
Wow you are way off base. You have no clue as to what you are talking about especially when it comes to their products. How many of the products at the “Dollar Store’ as you phrase it have scientific research to back it up.
Sorry chap but I have seen many people get unbeliveable results from their products.
The only reason people say it is a scam is because they will not do anything (work). They sit on their butts and complain that ma took their money. We don’t need people who want something for nothing. We want people who are willing to work to get ahead. That’s what is wrong with our country, a lot of people want something for nothing. No Work No Pay!!
@Bob Elmore
I’m sure the products are great. I’m sure they can do a lot for your health. The problem is not the products.
The driving force behind Market America is not the product itself. It’s signing up recruits, selling training, and selling tickets to conventions. If the main purpose of Market America is to sell products, then why is it that most of the products are just collecting dust in the homes of all these MA people? As far as I know, MA doesn’t give titles out based on how much product a person has sold. MA gives titles out to people based on how many others they recruit. Jesse Yang is a so-called “Director”, and I know for a fact that he sells less than a handful of items a month.
I don’t think anyone is bashing the products. The main issues that people have are with the recruiters and the style of recruiting.
These un educated opinions drive me nuts here.. If you have no clue what you are talking about why do you bother making post here. Why is it so important to you?
@ Joey Chong The only thing resembling “amway” is the fact that you can build a sales team. You obviously lacking the experience in network marketing to say anything other than THAT. If you look at the legal documentation you will see that MA has a success rate 300 times higher than that of an “amway” or any other MLM.. OBVIOUSLY its different, Much Different! With 80% retention compared to 3% its quite clear that the two models are on 2 totally opposite ends of the spectrum.
. Director level is NOT the highest level. In fact its in the bottom 1/2 of rank. There is no product that they have that they claim CURES anything, let alone Cancer. These points you mention shows a gross lack of education on the Company, produts and business model. Your post or any future posts should only be considered complete BUNK.
Director is only about $18,000 to $25,000 per month, its really not that much money. I know people that make millions from many different companies that have gotten themselves into financial trouble. Someones personal level of responsibility has absolutely nothing to do with the viability of the business model.
I agree that the “asian community” uses an agressive style of recruiting. They are pushy in every aspect of life. Its not a trait of the typical MA distributor. Did you ever stand in line for a subway and get mowed over by a group of Asians pushing them selves to the front of the line?? Is that MA’s fault too? Its the Culture NOT the company.
@Mr wilson with the company doing around $600,000,000 in sales with probably less than 80,000 distributors that are actually making an effort how can you say there are no product sales?? Thats absurd… Thats number translates into each rep with 12.5 customers spending $50 per month.. The plan calls for each rep to have 10 -15 customers that purchase $30/month.. As in life only 20% will actually do the required work yet we are above average across the board. This shows that even the slouches are making money above what their efforts meritt. The products stand alone. There is no question on that. We are a broker. What sense would it make to have a product that didnt work or wasnt priced right?
YES titles ARE given on how many products are sold, both personal and group sales. The title is based on income level. No sales = No income. Obviously the bigger the sales team the more sales volume you would have but thats just a generalization. I work with people that do over $250k per year on personal product sales alone not including group sales volume, Again, because the products stand alone.. If you guys wernt so negative about everything you might actually see the validity in this business. You see only what you want to see.
@Champ
First of all, your comments about Asians are completely stereotypical and racist. It’s also ironic that you have this view of the Asian community, since a very large % of your distributors are Asian. If you take away all the Asians, Market America would not even exist today.
Second, it’s obvious that Joey Chong was just being sarcastic. Duh.
Third, your numbers just confirm that Market America is not based on sales of products, but instead based on recruitment of new distributors. I’ll just take your numbers: $600,000,000 a year in revenue divided by 80,000 distributors.. that means each distributor averages $7,500 in revenue a year. And what is the distributor’s commission off of that $7,500? 1%? 2%? That’s $75 or $150 a year. Even if the distributor received 100% of that revenue into his/her pocket, $7,500/year is still a pretty poor standard of living. So tell me, how can a company only make $600,000,000 a year in revenue for the products, and still claim to pay all these “directors” and “coordinators” and stupid titles like that all those thousands of dollars a month? It just shows that Market America is making most of its money off of training and conventions.
Every time you “speak” you just prove my point even further.. MA makes ZERO from events and conferences infact a good portion is spent by the company to make them happen. The comission off of $7500 in retail would be around 30%.
“So tell me, how can a company only make $600,000,000 a year in revenue for the products, and still claim to pay all these “directors” and “coordinators” and stupid titles like that all those thousands of dollars a month? ”
Um… So you telling me you have NO CLUE on how this business model operates yet you reserve the right to comment on it? Your opinion is one thing but to play it off as fact is really LAME.
@champ
So basically, you have no real answers to my questions. Sure, we are all just uneducated idiots who don’t know simple math.
So on average, the yearly commission on product sales would be $2250 per person. So how do you explain all these distributors claiming they make $4000-$8000 per month? Or the Directors who claim they make $18,000-$25,000 per month? Where is this money even coming from? Obviously, YOU are the one who has no clue how this “business model” operates. You can’t pay people with money that doesn’t exist. So, MA is just a big Ponzi scheme? They are just pushing money around, sending old distributors money they take in from new distributors? It’s absurd how you debate everybody and say they have no clue how this business is ran. It’s Finance 101. You sell something, then you make profit off the sale. Then you pay people based on the profit. That’s how businesses are ran. With only $600,000,000 in sales and 80,000 distributors, that means only the very top people can get a decent paycheck, which makes it nothing more than a pyramid scheme.
YOU are the only one on this site that thinks you even have a point. I guess you are just in complete denial, and it is pathetic. I have proved you are full of crap just by using simple math. And you have nothing to offer besides your “YOU ARE WRONG, I AM RIGHT!! YOU DON’T KNOW ANYTHING, I KNOW EVERYTHING!!!” retorts. You talk very loudly for someone whose bank account can barely make a whisper.
@ Ms Wilson.. Now your just being a jerk. How can you possibly have proved me wrong on something you just said you dont have all the facts on?. You proved me wrong because I didnt answer your stupid, pointed questions? Those questions have been answered on here several times anyway, And how do you get off talking about what my bank account looks like? Do you know how many companies I own or what they are? I dont recall sending you any of my bank statements and im pretty sure I out earn you by MANY times, so that comment was just stupid.
OK, Since Im the slow dumb one Ill explain it again for all the smart people..Its not a “pyramid” its not a “ponzi” its not a deal, scheme or scam… I have real answers, Im just curious as to why YOU have such a strong opinion of a business model you freely admit and have shown you dont understand or dont choose to understand.
We get paid 2 main ways.. One is on retail profit which is what you were referring to in the “math” above. The other way is on Business Volume. Every one of the 50million products and services have a point value assigned to them. Those points flow from the bottom to the top of the sales organization and credits everyone up the line 100%. Its not a percentages and levels game. We dont get paid anything for recruiting people. We dont build wide pyramidal sales organizations like MLM, realestate, pharmaceuticals or any other traditional sales structure.. We build 2 sales pools, a left and a right. One person goes in under another in those pools rather than across a level. Its vertical marketing rather than horizontal.. When a person at the bottom of the sales organization sells a product for say $100 he would get the variable $30 retail profit, but he also gets the 80 or so points associated with that sale.. These points flow up 100% and credit everyone in line 100%. They add up and accrue until we are paid on them. No flushing volume or end of month quotas. The points convert back into dollars and are the residual commission which comes out to 15% of the wholesale dollar for every sale generated throughout the organization. We get paid on personal sales and group sales NOT for recruiting.
We build points of distribution where everyone does a little bit and we all Share in the credit.. Would it be easier for CocaCola to put one BIG coke machine in the center of the country or one on every street corner each doing a little bit.
You say “that means only the very top people can get a decent paycheck, which makes it nothing more than a pyramid scheme”… Not true. Not True at all..Everyone from the owner on down is capped at $187,000/year. (retail profit is unlimited) If you want to make more you have to “start over” with another business but that other business MUST go in under your existing sales organization to support the ones who supported you. How many CEO’s or “guys at the top” do you know that have capped their own income to level the playing field?..
Anyone can out earn anyone in this sales structure. If the guy that brought me into the company wants to make more than $187K he has to do it from under me so I get 100% credit for his efforts. At this point I out earn him by 3 times. Its the only business model I know of where everyone has the same fair shot.. I have 5 of these business centers now, Not all of them are maxed out but just like the companies 20 year track record they have NEVER seen a downturn in growth and profit. I have a couple centers in line with each other so Im actually getting credited multiple times on the same sales volume..
Not to confuse you but we can actually take the points from our personal sales and assign them to anyone we sponsor into the company.. The BV points credit them, everyone up the line and I get em back anyway.. There is a very synergystic effort of helping each other get paid… How many realestate agents, car salesmen, copier sales people, medical sales people etc. give their sales away to help the “team mates”??
Is the better model one where reps are in competition with each other or where they are 100% vested in each other? Hell, in MLM, realestate and other models, even if you ARE connected in the “geneology”, once a person on your “team” gets a few level deep they actually ARE the competition… Its Dog eat Dog as they say. and you certainly arent placing reps or sales down there to help them.. Here we HAVE to build under one another.. We dont get paid unless THEY get paid. We measure our succsess by how many people we get paid NOT by how much we get paid at the expense of others.. We are the exact opposite of what you think we are..
The top earner in the company only does about 1.3Mil per year.. If she was in that Pyramid you were talking about she would be doing $80mil per year at the expense of everyone else. The company has paid out over $2.5Billion in commissions and retail profit If She is only doing 1.3Mil per year where is the rest of the money going?
I know your trying to compare this to an MLM and thats where you are getting hung up. Many people try to do that.. You cant compare apples to oranges.
Believe me I tried to poke holes in this business plan for 3 months before realized the risk was in NOT moving forward with it. No one tried to “get me in” either. The only downside to date is that you run into allot of negative uneducated people that think they have all the answers.. I can only help the ones that want to help themselves..
well, i’ve been to one or two of their meetings, and i didn’t get a good impression about it at all, the meeting place is just like someone’s apartment and the stuff they told me wasn’t that clear, most of the time, they were just making some inspirational speech, didn’t explain the business model that well, just saying it’s a 5 years plan or something like that, and after that 5 years, you don’t haev to do anything, but here’s the fact
People have spent over $15-20,000 at MA partner stores through their MA portal and STILL did not receive that first IBV commission check of $300. They had to spend nearly $30,000 to get there, so do the math, – $1 in commission for every $100 spent. That is horrible to say the least. Which means the only way you are profitable is to earn at least $900 through BV – or the MA products. This requires you to recruit – alot. They mislead and say you just need two people. Well once you look at the business – you need 4800 BV every 30 days to be profitable. That earns you $900 in commissions. Because you are spending money with them each month – part of their scam plan – and worse, that amount goes UP once you get your first commission check of $300. SO in order to cover that you need to get to the next level of commissions, and that means 4800 BV – or 2400 on each “leg”. That means you will either be driving all over the place or wasting time with web advertising to try and get people to try products. You need 48 people – not 2. You need a bare minimum of 15 people – and hope they get two each – and that gets you to 45 (or 4500 BV – still 300 short). Not two people – 48 – to get 4800 BV. That is the real truth. It took someone I know 3 years to get 45 people, meanwhile they were spending $700 in start-up, then $150 per month after the first 90 days. So for 33 months (since first 3 are free) – 33 x $150 = $4,950 + $700 start-up = $5,650 spent before they got to a point where they could start earning $900 a month and be in the black each month after their product purchase obligation. Then at that point it really doesn’t mean anything – he was $5600 in the red, and had his first month in the black, clearing about $750 (after the $150 product purchase) So it still took him another 7-8 months to make his money back – we are now close to 4 years in this MA thing before he broke even. Then once you break even after 3 years and 8 months, you need to hope that these people keep buying this stuff each month, to keep you from dipping back into the red. That is what MA so inaccurately describes as a “residual” income.
sorry for the lengthy comment, but i gotta say, MA isn’t for everyone, most of the top earners started it early, and i know people who made it to the professional coordinator level are working so hard for it, you’ll probably have to work even more than a regular 9-5 job, no offense, but most people i know that got into MA are students or never had a full time jobs in their lives, even though you get paid 18k a month at the director level, you can’t guarantee you’ll get that paycheck every month, and by the time you get to it, you’ll probably be $100k in red, with the monthly fee and anual fee, you might as well start your own online selling business.