Market America Scam
December 16, 2011 | Posted by Market America Scam Market America Unfranchise Scam
When I say “Market America” what’s the first thing that comes to mind? For most, the phrase following Market America is SCAM, complaints, or sucks. In fact, Google is well aware that Market America is a scam too. If you start typing in the phrase “Market America,” the number 1 suggestion is Market America SCAM. There is a reason why Google suggests Market America Scam. SCAM is suggested because it is the phrase most frequently searched in conjunction with Market America.
That so many people search the exact phrase Market America Scam is a testament to the fact that the Market America UnFranchise business “opportunity” is a scam and sucks compared to other MLM opportunities, which is why there are so many complaints. Instead of Market America Unfranchise, it is has become Market America Scam. In fact, did you know that the exact phrase “Market America Scam” is searched in Goolge 5400 times a month, and “Market America Unfranchise” is searched a mere 720 times per month. That means Market America is branded as a scam 7.5 times more than it is associated with Unfranchise. Market America and Scam are virtually synonymous. I am a website marketer/ SEO writer for hire and have much knowledge and experience optimizing websites for search engines.
The reason for my complaints and thinking “Market America scam,” is because Market America Unfranchise pays very poorly for your efforts, and in times of a recession, and even when the economy is good, people do NOT want to pay an arm and a leg for vitamins, antioxidants, and energy supplements they can just as easily buy at the dollar store. Do not waste your time with the Market America cult. Market America is a scam and waste of money. I say Market America scam because you pay for nonsensical training to sell their over priced products for a very poor commission. Sure, some people have made some money with Market America, but they should start asking themselves how much money they would have made in a company that offers far better commission rates and marketable products.
Market America has often been referred to as a scam. There are numerous reasons why many people believe market america is a scam. This article will explore these reasons from a website perspective. Consider that people who join market america do not actually own the website www.MarketAmerica.Com. Rather, market america essentially loans their distributors a replicated portion of their website with a reallllllllyyyyyy long and confusing URL. If people simply go to marketamerica.com, you will earn absolutely nothing from the sales generated. So all the talk and selling and putting the word out about MA is useless and a waste of time if people do not go to your specific URL, for example www.marketamerica.com/Your-Specific-URL-that-Noone-Wants-to-Type-in-because-it-is-a-lot-easier-to-just-go-to-the-corporate-version
When you pay money, oftentimes as much as $1-$5 for pay-per-click advertising to market “your” products, people click the ad, decide if they want to buy, and likely come back at a later time. However, when they return, they are not going to type in your long and unmemorable website portal. Why would they? They don’t care about your commission, and probably do not even know that you earn commission at market america.
So where do they wind up? You guessed it, marketamerica.com corporate site. Based on your ads, your word-of-mouth, and your time, energy and efforts, you earn $0 commission for promoting OPC 3 isotonix, or whatever you decided to market. There are literally 100s of thousands of market america distributors, and they are all selling the same exact products. Why would I spend even an extra second to type in your MA URL? How does that help me?
Here’s the unadulterated, no BS lowdown and one of the reasons why there are so many Market America Complaints:
Out of every 100 people to get into a MLM program:
– 98 will lose money. Some will lose a LOT of money.
– 1 will break even.
– 1 will actually make more than they invested. (But almost always no where near the touted possible returns.)
Once an MLM plan hits the web and starts a campaign blitz, the opportunities to be that 1 person out of a 100 are almost nil.
Are you sure this is the route you truly want to take?
I’ve written for a good number of MLM sites.
The ONLY ones who made any money were the ones who created the MLM offer in the 1st place.
Notwithstanding how great the copy is (and I write exceptionally great copy) the market is so saturated with hopefuls wanting to cash in on the offer, no matter how hard they try, they never meet their goals.
If you are determined to throw your money down it will become a bottomless pit.
Market America Unfranchise in all probability won’t make you a dime – but at least you’ll know you’ve given it the old college try.
The web is a fantastic place to make money for inexperienced entrepreneurs, but only for those who have a under-utilized market niche or those helping others to achieve their financial success. I’m afraid polo shirts really don’t fall into a saleable category. (Check e-Bay to see what others are selling them for. If you can beat their prices, then by all means sell on e-bay. I’ll be an inexpensive way to get your feet wet with online commerce.)
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IS MARKET AMERICA A FRAUD??????
LOOK WHAT I FOUND ON GOOGLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
SEC Charges Gilbert A. Zwetsch and James H. Ridinger
with Illegal Sales of Market America Stock;
Cease-and-Desist Order Issued against
Market America and Richard D. Hall Jr.
SEC Litigation Release No. 16131A / May 4, 1999
@alan hu
Your comments are indicative of someone who wants to stir up trouble and rile up nasty reactions. I would not be at all surprised if you were Mr. Jon Hal asz himself. This would be consistent with the fact that activity has diminished here on this site.
What’s the matter Mr. Jon Hal asz? Not getting the S E O work you were looking for?
@peabody
google yourself. this is what i found peabody ( dont u have a name?”)
why are you so mad?? you must be one of market america dick sucker..:)
@alan hu
Yes, I have a name, and it’s peabody. I am not angry, just suspicious of you. alan hu, are you Mr. Jon Hal asz himself? It’s just not adding up any other way. Why are you not answering on whether you’re Mr. Hal asz? Also, you seem to hate Market Americans. Why would someone who hates Market Americans *ASK* whether Market America is a scam?
It’s pathetic how many plant websites there are for MA, that are stating how its not a scam. the fact there are so many fake websites out there is proof enough what a scam it is.
@alan hu. Have you worked for MA?
The Market America business model and the company itself might not be a scam, and may not be involved in any illegal activities, but the “Unfranchise owners” have represented themselves and the company in deceitful and misleading ways. What bothers me the most is how these people can lie with a straight face to their own family and friends about how successful they can be through Market America. And it really bothers me how they target poor and uneducated immigrants who already have hard enough of a time feeding their families. Perhaps these MA people brainwash themselves into thinking that they are actually helping others by getting them involved, but my gut instincts tell me that these people loss all their principles and morals a long time ago, and really don’t care about what they say or do to anyone as long as they can close the deal. My personal story involving Market America is that one of my former close friends, Jesse Yang, is heavily involved in Market America here in New York. The funny thing is, he got involved in Market America because he wanted to impress his wife. Before they got married, he had invented grand stories of how financially successful he was. So after they got married, his lies began to catch up with him, and he joined Market America because he thought it was a way to get-rich-quick. The ironic thing is, fast forward 5 years, and he doesn’t even mention his wife or have any pictures of her up on his Facebook. Instead, he has hundreds of pictures of himself at the North Carolina conventions and with his many “new” friends. But anyway, Jesse Yang is a guy who has maxed out all of his credit cards and has borrowed thousands of dollars from his friends in order to keep his MA business running. When his friends ask him to return the money, his response is “I am not going to return the money, because I can do something better for you by getting you signed up to Market America as well!” These days, he claims to make $25,000 from MA each month, although sometimes he claims to make $250,000 each month, and even $1MM a month, as if we are all gullible enough to believe him. And although he does receive monthly commission checks from MA, they do not make up for all the expenses he incurs while running his business. Those are travel expenses, dinners, hotels, etc. And, to top it off, he leases a BMW in order to pretend to be rich. Come on, if he has any real money, why does he lease a car and rent a little apartment when he could buy them instead? My point is, he can claim to be as rich as he wants, but he cannot show any proof of it, such as bank account statements or income tax statements. And if he really does make as much as he claims, then someone needs to inform the IRS, because he surely isn’t paying taxes on it. But the bottom line is, I know first hand that these MA people will say and lie about anything in order to get you to sign up. Jesse Yang is a perfect example of it. I know for a fact that he owes a lot of friends a lot of money, and refuses to pay them back. The background stories for these guys in order to attract new signers becomes all too repetitive and familiar. Like the poor immigrant mother who joins MA and all of a sudden makes millions of dollars and buys many houses, many fancy cars, and sends her child to Columbia University and Juliard. And now the child, Olivia Li, claims to have gotten a 6-figure salary corporate job right out of college, but instead chose to join MA as well because of the potential and financial freedom that MA provides. All lies. There are people on the West Coast who are using the exact same background story as Olivia Li and her mother! Market America definitely changes people, and not for the better. Or perhaps it doesn’t change people… it just brings out their true nature.
@ Mr. Wilson
Everything you said is SOOO TRUE! There’s a culture of “Fake it ’till you make it” at Market America. I have only heard of Jesse Yang from New York, but even here in Canada he’s notorious for his all talk no walk personality. And yet, can you believe it? He’s a so called “Director” who’s supposed to be making 10k per month. He’s even featured in that lame MA magazine that estimates his income well over 100k. BUULLLLLSHIT! When you dig a little deeper you find out that these are merely income earning POTENTIAL.
I had no idea that Jesse owes his friends money, but I think it’s absolutely disgusting that he would say something as classless as, “I am not going to return you the money because I can do something much better for you which is to sign you up for MA.” That’s just bottom-of-the-barrel pathetic, and is morally and logically wrong on so many levels.
Over here in Ottawa, MA is spreading like a weed. I can’t wait for the day that people see Market America for what it really is – a spin off carbon copy of Amway with an added communistic twist. Ottawa’s a small place, and I’d hate to see it being overrun by a cult like MA.
Market America has some major flaws with it, no doubt about it. Their reps are fixated on 100% acumulation, but 100% of a 2 cent commission is stil 2 cents. The MA line products are also ineffective in my experience. I (stupidly) tried it becasue my friend was bugging me to try some sort of OPC shit or something like that. It did absolutely nothing other than make my wallet 80 bucks lighter.
@ Mr. Wilson – I’m curious in finding out more about this Jesse Yang. I got approached by one of his downlines, and he’s bugging me to join MA non-stop. To my knowledge, Jesse Yang is very high up on the MA food chain, so I would think that he’d be making some big bucks. Are you sure everything you said about him is true?
@ Nathan Tam
Trust me, you really need to stay away from this guy. Jesse Yang is a snake and will say and do anything to close a deal. It’s really sad that it’s come to this, but Jesse has a lot of enemies among his old friends and family members. Look at it this way – if he could take advantage of all his close friends and family, he will not hesitate for a second to take advantage of anyone else. If he really is as successful as he claims, then you need to ask him to show proof of it, besides his stupid leased BMW that he can barely afford. He owes a lot of people a lot of money, including me. These people are all just con-artists. It is really sad and pathetic.
@ Mr. Wilson
WOW….I can’t believe Jesse Yang is in all that debt…I heard only grand stories about his unfathomable riches, but you paint a very different picture. But honestly I he’s hiding a lot, you just get that gut feeling. The way I see it is that someone who has a need to prove his wealth to others would never refuse to repay his friends’ money plus interest! Some of my good friends have joined MA and since then they’ve become financially destitute. They never admit it, but I can tell. When your friends stop going out for beers n’ ball games, even though they are die hard fans, you know it’s not because they’re making so much money at MA. It’s ’cause they’re broke.
Man, he owes you money? I hope it’s not much…I don’t think you’re ever going to get it back…sorry to hear that…it sounds to me you were his very close friend…but how can you explain that he’s a Director and yet he barely makes anything? It doesn’t seem to add up. Did you join MA yoursef?
@ Nathan Tam
MA is just like any other pyramid scheme – only the very top people make money. Being a so-called “Director” isn’t even close to being at the top. I guess being in MA is like running a small business. Maybe he does receive $10k checks from MA every month, but that would only be his gross revenue. When you consider all his expenses, such as traveling, hotels, dining, purchasing tacky clothes that he thinks makes him look more successful, etc, his net earnings are slim, if not negative on a monthly basis. The point is, anyone with any common sense would know this guy is completely broke. At times, I feel sorry for him. He is so deep in his lies, and he is trapped. But then again, it’s a grave that he dug for himself. And yes, he owes me money. He owes all of his old friends money. Thousands of dollars each. It was my own poor judgment to loan him the money, because I had a feeling that I would never see it again. But what was I supposed to do? I had known him for many years and considered him a good friend, and I wanted to help him any way I could. What is also completely lame was that he kept trying to get me to quit my job so that I could sign onto MA with him and he could make the tiny commission off of me. I went through many years of schooling and I have a pretty good career, and yet he wanted me to give it all up just so he could make a few dollars in commissions off of me. And when I made it clear that I would not join MA, he said that I was an idiot and that I wasn’t a true friend to him. In any case, he does owe me thousands of dollars, and I know for a fact that he owes others many thousands of dollars. But frankly, it’s not even about the money for me anymore. I’ve already accepted the fact that he will never pay me back. It just really bothers me, and perhaps angers me, that he is running around telling all these lies and ruining so many people’s lives.
@ Mr. Wilson
You know I’ve also heard stories of extreme opulence about this guy directly under Jesse Yang. His name is John (Tzung An) Yuan. He’s supposedly some sort of Professional Coordinator or some fancy title like that. He’s supposedly very rich too, but to be honest I kind of doubt it. If what you’re saying is true, he’s more likely to be flat out broke because Jesse won’t pay him back his money. Plus, if a Director’s broke, I can’t see how a Professional Coordinator can be better off. Have you ever heard of this John before? I believe he’s from New York as well.
Sorry to hear that you won’t be getting your money back. I suppose you could always sue, but without a contract I’m not sure how that would pan out. Over here my MA friends are asking me for money too, while at the same time trying to recruit me. I just tell them my wife takes care of all the accounts.
The way I see it, Market America is a giant Chinese pyramid scheme. Reps are at least 70% Chinese. From what I understand, it’s a far more communistic system than Amway, but other than that, it’s basically a Amway spin-off. Now they’ve bought SHOP.COM, in an effort to disguise the fact that they’re a pyramid. Scary stuff indeed.
Can anyone tell me whether MA is for real? I heard some guy tell me that everyone earns 100% commission, and this doesn’t seem right.
When someone takes considerable time and energy to put up a website to bash ANY company or person, my eyebrows go up…ahem.
Market America is REAL.
Like with any company, or specifically any network marketing company MOST people involved will make NO money. In fact, a lot of people will get themselves in debt while trying to build a business (network marketing or any other kind of business for that matter).
I’m not familiar with MA’s pay plan, but I will say this…
If you don’t have the business skills to build a business or the fortitude to stay in the “game” long enough you’re going to FAIL.
Unfortunately, these kinds of companies are marketed to people who don’t have either thus the HIGH failure rate.
This company is NOT for everybody. Their own branded products are on the higher end…and yet there are consumers who buy them. (Yes, some are even distributors)
There is a price for everybody…and everybody has a price.
Luckily they’ve partnered with name-brand companies so there are other choices.
So you don’t become yet another mlm statistic…
1. Don’t be lured by the amount of money someone is making – They’re tapping into your sense of greed…and most people will fall for it every time. Just because they’re making xyz it doesn’t mean YOU will make that much.
2. Only join a business opportunity you can AFFORD – If you can’t afford the distributor costs and the ongoing costs to run a business, in this case Market America…then don’t join. There are other ways to make money online besides joining a network marketing company.
3. Get business training – if you have no marketing skills, you will FAIL. Even if MA paid out 200%, you will make ZERO money because you don’t know how to drive traffic to your website.
4. Take Action! – It takes a whole lot of WORK to build a business. Most people just sign up for an biz opp and then sit back and hope money comes rolling in. If you’re not willing to put in the work, then don’t sign up for a network marketing company or don’t even bother doing affiliate marketing or internet marketing for that matter.
Hoped that helped somebody:-)
Lastly go to the corporate website itself. Don’t just take the word of a MA distributor. You’ll see most people don’t make a dime in MA and the reason being is that people fail in one or more of the four reasons I listed.
@ Nathan Tam
Yes, I know John Yuan as well. He also used to be an old friend. He’s in just as bad of a situation as Jesse. Jesse recruited a handful of our old friends, and I think they are all trapped in their lies right now. We were all friends for a long time years ago, and I know many of these guys’ families. And believe me, even their families are not on good terms with them. Sometimes I feel bad for these guys, since I considered them good friends at a point. But they digged their own graves.
@ Mr. Wilson
In a place as rife with opportunity as New York, you’d figure they’d have the best chance at succeeding in MA compared to anywhere else, just because of the sheer volume of people within its city limits and the fact that it’s one of the richest cities in the world. Over here in Ottawa, there’s nowhere near as much opportunity, so I can only imagine how hard it is to succeed in a small Canadian town.
I think what’s happening to Jesse Yang and John Yuan is that they’ve told so many stories of fortune and opulence that now eveyone who knows them either looks up to them like a glazy-eyed puppy, or vindictively waits for them to fail, and both are the primary motivational factors in why they continue. They’re trapped, and the only escape from MA is if they disappear for many years. I’ll bet the vindictive group consists of many of their family members too, making it that much harder to throw in the towel. Terrible…
You guys are freakin clueless.. Why would you come on here a act like you know what you are talking about with a multi billion $$ company… I think companies like Microsoft, Walmart, HSn and google did some due dilligence before deciding to work with MA.. Amber&Jesse Yang are Executive Directors earning between $25,000 and $36,000 in a 4 week pay cycle.. I dont know if they manage their money that well and I dont think it even matters.. Donald trump was several hundred million in debt while still earning millions per year.. If you have no clue how a business operates or pays you should really shut up about it.. Whay would you bad mouth a company because you have a grudge against someone personally? Saying a product did nothing for you without even knowing the name or what its SUPPOSED to do just shows it most likely wasnt taken correctly, regularly,. Perhaps taken sporatically if at all? Did you try it for 3 days or did you take the proper dose for 45 days like they show in the peer reviewed clinical studies of the active ingredient… Its ok to vent but you are just making yourselves look like complete idiots to anyone that has a clue.
@mssi
Do you know Jesse Yang personally? How can you be sure he’s earning 25k-36k per four-week pay cycle?
Yes I know him personally, How can i be sure?? Because I know how the business model works.. Ive seen the paychecks of the ones that havnt even worked in 15 years and the income has only gone up. And because I have 1/2 a brain in my head that says treat a business like a business, research the companies financial reports, look at the income disclosure statements, and talk to the people that have been succesful in the industry about it rather than getting my information from whats written on “the bathroom wall”.. If posts like these are how you make business decisions, Do yourselves a favor and DONT go into ANY type of business because you will fail miserably..
They dont just “give out” a title and there is very little fluctuation in income once it is hit.. It may vary $300-$600 here and there while on the increase but thats about it. It cant do anything but that unless a bunch of distribution points shut down at the same time which is VERY rare. ANYONE that says otherwise has no clue how this company operates, therefore has NO right to comment on it AT ALL.. Its all conjecture, inexperience and personal agenda…
Once there is a team in place the income is consistent. This is not an MLM. This is NOT one of those deals where the guy at the top makes the money while everyone churns and burns underneath or where the income goes up and down because everyone quits on a regular basis.. We have an 82% retention rate and Never a down quarter of growth since the companies inception.. Obviously more distributors are staying than quitting So I ask YOU how can the income possibly go down once it is hit?
@ mssi
Wow, I feel really sorry for you. You sound like a typical brainwashed victim of the Market America Scam. I hope you come back to this website in 2 years and you read your own foolish comments. Perhaps you have known Jesse for a short period of time… I have actually known him for over 15 years. I know his family, and I know all of his old friends. Look at it this way… it is obvious to everyone that Jesse loves to show off any type of money he has. If he really makes $25,000 to $36,000 a month, then wouldn’t he have bought a nice big house instead of still renting a little apartment? For the longest time, Jesse has been talking about buying big houses and fancy cars. Why would he even lease his current car instead of actually buying one if he makes all that money?
I have no idea where you even get your numbers from. 82% retention rate? You are just repeating everything that other people tell you. Do you even know what a pyramid scheme is? Shouldn’t a red flag go up when you see that these people spend much more time trying to recruit new joiners than they do trying to actually sell the products?
Paychecks mean nothing. What you need to see are actual bank statements and income-tax forms. Rented apartments and leased cars mean nothing either. The truth is clearly in front of you. These guys are all talk and no walk.
I Get my numbers from corporate data base and MY OWN sales organization.. My organization is over 96% retention over 3 years..Those are factual numbers staring me in the face every day. The only rhetoric i see hear is on your end.. Conjecture, opinion and personal agenda is your fuel.. My fuel is documentable fact. I still dont know what personal responsibility regarding Finance has to do with anything?. Thank you again for proving my earlier points.. Nice job throwing some keywords into your post for your failing agenda. Do you really think people are that dumb? Paychecks mean nothing??? Again, I rest my case here.
@ mssi
You are very defensive. I guess you must be in the same financial mess as these other Market America guys. And yes, paychecks mean nothing. That is gross revenue. Actual wealth is measured by what you have in the bank and what other assets you have, such as property ownership or other investment portfolios. If I receive a paycheck for $25,000 a month and I spend $50,000 a month on my business, then would that make me wealthy? Your 96% seems like a far-fetched number as well. So you’ve been with MA for 3 years now? How many homes and cars do you own by now? 5 homes and 20 cars? Or let me guess.. you will reach that level in 2 years. And two years from now, you will say you will reach that level in another two years. The longer you stay in this “business”, the bigger the hole you are digging for yourself. And even if one day you do make some money, would it have been all worth it to alienate all of your old family and friends? That is not true wealth to me. I have nothing further to say to you. I just feel sorry for you. Good luck with your life.
lol documentable fuel, what a funny joke, ok so if MA states that kill your whole family is must-do task, I’m sure you won’t deny it. Haha
Also, if the people under them not recruiting (one person generate 600bv when recruited) then he is not getting paycheck, that’s why the people on top need to help me bottom people who hasn’t make any money yet to convince new guys to join using their crybaby stories. Aw…. So touchy story so sad. That means the residual income is not residual lol…… Not counting people tired of these MArket America shit.
i remember once Amber Yang was cry about she chose to come to the meeting rather her son’s birthday. That really makes me cry. She said nothing is more important than MA. Then she cry like a baby. I pretend to be sad, but in my heart I laugh my ass off. All those people’s stories are funny I mean you have to be there. Another funny things is that a lot of stupid people believe it and a lot of smart people pretend to believe it to make whoever they brought to the convention believe it too. Another reason why you need to bring new people to convention is instead of you who does not earning shit until you get people under you telling the new guy how wonderful this business how much you will earn you let those “big dicks” telling their successful story how much they earn per month, especially I see the Elizabeth bitch every single convention. People in New York fears market America people because they randomly trying to talk to everyone on the street and making a fake friendship then at some point invite you to a market america ritual – the home kickoff. First rule of recruiting , you don’t talk about market America. What kind of business is this? Lol
@ Mr. Wilson
Please don’t say miss is brain-washed, she will just say yeah I’m brain-washed to become successful yeah I’m brain-washed to earn tons of money! And what you gonna say about that! And the truth is, she brain-washed to become someone not herself lol…… I’m so…….sorry. She lived whole life for other. Her entire life….. Sigh…. Pitiful pityful
@Mr. Wilson
Like I said Wilson, MA taught people nothing is important in life other than money. Not moral, not love, not friendship. Money power!!!!!
Oh yeah I forgot to mention the recharging battery thing. Everytime you go to meetings you regain confidents and recharging battery. The reason is the business is not solid, a solid business does not require recharging. Why do you need recharging? Because you losing trust to the company. Why attend convention? So people there can put the shit on you again. Real deal is there is nothing, but people make you believe there is something. So at the end you can make something for them.
Funny how we have had at least 200,000 distributors in our 20 years, yet you can only find 50 to 100 distributors tops that have something negative to say… There are also about the same number of people that that have uneducated opinions, yet have not been distributors.. We alo have over 10 million happy customers.. If you are versed enough to have an opinion on the business model mr wilson, youll be able to answer the following..
What is the average annual overhead to operate one of these business’s
What percentage of reps at least break even?
let me guess, where are the customers???? Hmmm in the computer database…… Nice
No, there in my back yard…What an idiotic statement, Damn the more you chime in the stronger you make my case…. You have a problem with a proven successful business model only because you you were obviously not qualified to run it.. The model was setup to run on substantially less effort than industry averages. You got found out as less than below average because you didnt have anything to hide behind and now your pissed off at the business model… No one held a gun to your head and made you do this.. You sort of gave it a shot, MAYBE, and I applaude you for that.. There is no need to try and beat up an obviously successful business because it wasnt a fit for you.. Its not a fit for MOST people or everyone would be doing it…. Usually though the ones its not a fit for are smart enough or strong enough to say no thanks.. If it was THAT bad you would have more than 50-100 people on the ENTIRE internet that are complaining about it..
This business is about building relationships, selling products and services and building distribution points.. WHY on earth would you start a business like that when you have NO redeeming qualities that would possibly lend themselves to someone of any quality launching into a business relationship of any kind with you??
If you didnt make it it was because you were in over your head and the person who brought you in was just as irresponsible. And I personally appologize for that.. There is no way I would have brought you in with us..
One thing this business WILL do is expose the real person.. If you are competent and successful it will be magnified in this company. If you are dishonest? that will be magnified and exposed as well.. If you are just plain uneducated and incompetent that will be exposed and magnified as we see here with “louis”… Nothing personal, Im not saying it to be mean, Its not your fault.. You said yourself you would sit in the trainings and pick out the negatives.. Im sorry my friend but if thats what you are looking for thats what you are gonna get.. If all you had on your mind was negatives, If thats all you looked for then there is no way you put forth any of the efforts required to run a business like this.. It would also be true that such a mindset would transcend into any endevour you embark on..
If you want something better out of life and obviously you do or did at one point. Its going to have to start with a more positive attitude toward things.
With that said, Anyone seeing this that is evaluating the company (which is the wrong way to do it) Should look for the ones complaining and look for the common denominator. Most of them will sound something like “louis”.. Im sure many of them are actually the same people posting under different names as well..
Hmmmm lets see, NO unresolved complaints at the BBB gives us an A+ rating,
A VERY small handfull of complaints ( .00025% of total distributors or X distributors IF, they were actually real distributors) this number is according to the “bathroom wall here” which is the internet..
The highest success rate in direct sales by about 40 times industry averages….
AGAIN,, What is the common denominator of the complainers here or anywhere? Whats their image like? How is their verbal skills? Would YOU buy something from them? Would you go into business with them? If you dont know the answers to these questions it would probably not be a good idea to base a business decision on their OPINIONS.. Would you lend one of the internet posters $10,000 if they sent you an email and promised to pay you back?? If the answer is NO then why would you trust them to steer you on a business decision that could cost you many times that?
I understand the need for an unbiased opinion or information as it is hard to trust anyone these days, but Here or any other message board is NOT an unbiased opinion including my own. I drink the Koolaid and I love it ha ha.. YOU, might not. Although my information is credible you would never know that one way or another just by poking around on the internet. This is a BUSINESS not a club to join, you need to look at financial facts, documented success rates, look people in the eye, ask them hard questions and do a trial run on this for however long it takes to see if this is a fit for you or not.. YES, TRIAL RUN.. Its whats taught in the trainings.. to NOT register someones business until they have sold some product, have done ALL the basics and have proven they can do this and succeed.. If you havnt been offered it, ask, insist or just do it.
Best wishes and good luck in any venture you choose.
Oh and mr wilson,, not that its any of your business but as far as income goes im about 20 percent ahead of where the business model said i would be based on MY efforts at 2.8 years in.. Its simple math really.. You do the work and they pay you for it. I aint brain surgury. The business model is perfect. Its when you inject the human element you can loose some perfection in excecution as obvious in postings here.. Choose the right business partners and youll be fine.. As in life, stay away from the rif raf.. The good thing about this business is anyone can do it… The bad thing about this business is, sometimes people LET anyone do it.. The model is perfect, people arent. Im sure youve seen a few imperfect people outside of This company…im Wondering why your so passionate about this.. I Wonder what the whole story is..
@ mssi
The more you write, the more sorry I feel for you.
There is no need to be completely hostile and insulting to other people who are just voicing their opinions, such as Louis. And you are calling Louis “uneducated”? Do you realize that your “god” Jesse Yang never even finished highschool, and he has absolutely no business training, accounting experience, or financial background? Maybe that’s why he’s in such huge debt even though he supposedly makes $25k/month. And I stress the word “supposedly”.
Why am I passionate about this? Well, from a monetary standpoint, Jesse still owes me thousands of dollars that I know he will never pay back. Also, he owes other friends and family members many thousands of dollars as well. But I am also passionate about this because so many people’s live are affected by this scheme. People are losing their life savings and cannot support their families because they get caught up with this MA cult, all because they are given false claims of success and wealth. I agree that many many many people fail because they don’t put the work in, but it is also completely irresponsible and dishonest when distributors recruit joiners by telling them anyone can do the business, and telling them how much money they are already making from MA when it is completely untrue. We all know that many distributors will say anything to get someone to sign up.
And you are completely right… MA does bring out the real person. A perfect example is Jesse. It just proves that he will lie at all costs to get what he wants and screw over his closest friends/family just so he can get ahead. It also shows his ego. Have you noticed that he always has to be the center of attention, and that he would never let anyone achieve a higher rank than him? This goes all the way back to when I knew Jesse years and years ago. He would always make up random lies to show us that he is successful or show us that he accomplished something great, and we accepted his little lies because we knew he had self-esteem issues for never finishing highschool, for living in people’s basements, and for his poor english skills. None of that mattered to us, and we all still took him in as a friend and gave him our trust and support. And then, this is how he treats us now? I never even hear about his wife anymore. My thoughts are that she probably left him because she couldn’t take his garbage anymore.
You say that there are 200,000 distributors in MA’s history and only 50-100 people complaining about MA on the internet. Does that mean that there are 199,900 people on the internet saying how great MA is? Sorry, but when I Google MA, there are many more people who complain about MA than there are people who endorse it. I think you better start telling those 199,900 people to start posting online, or else you will never make your case.
So, you are 20% ahead of where you should be by now? Does that mean that you are completely financially stable? Have you taken into account all the money you spent on conventions and things like that? Have you taken into account all the salary you’ve lost from not having a real fulltime job? My guess is that your savings are wiped out and you owe others many thousands of dollars as well. Or maybe you are lucky and still living with your parents, which is also a bit pathetic.
I have no idea why you keep talking about a “business model.” How is it a business model when you spend so much more time recruiting people than you do actually selling the products? That is just a pyramid scheme.
That is all from me. I am done responding to you, mssi. Happy New Year and good luck with your life.
again, your “perfect model” made me laughed. Obviously you know nothing about art, i can’t believe people still think there is perfect things in the world, not even a perfect line that you draw using a ruler. Well good luck with your perfect business and happy new year.
Hopefully next year I can see you on ABC news the new billionaire of the year.
I noticed Market America bought SHOP.COM a while back, and now almost every Distributor is calling themselves a SHOP.COM Consultant rather than a Market America Distributor. This is very interesting. Why don’t they wear their MA title proudly? Why do the vast majority of Distributors prefer to hide behind SHOP.COM? Is MA’s bad press beginning to haunt them?
@ Mr. Wilson
Don’t let mssi get to you. I’ve noticed him on several forums with negative content against MA, and even other MLMs. He’s really good at arguing his case, but I’ve also seen him get destroyed by people better than him.
I believe your story, Mr. Wilson, and I think it really shows that you know Jesse Yang well. I really feel sorry for him, and anyone else who followed him. Poor John Yuan….
Bad press??? show me ONE instance of “bad press”,, just one!.. Another one just making crap up? imagine that!..
I dont consider the opinions of goofballs bad press.. ANY legitimate press that has been done on this company is positive.. the only negatives are from blogs like this just spewing uneducated conjecture and opinion.
Good at arguing the case? or just stating facts that cant be argued? Ive never “lost” an argument regarding this company let alone “get destroyed”.. All I do is give the facts where people like you try to twist them like your obviously doing now..
Its obvious that I cant have a battle of wits with unarmed people here so Im just gonna leave it alone.. I share facts YOU share opinion.. Which do you prefer to base a business decision on??
Oh, and ive only posted on ONE other forum that I can remember.. so your “several forums” comment is just rediculous… Gotta wonder what your hidden agenda is if you have to lie and just make stuff up to twist the truth.. What are you so afraid of with this company?
@mssi2,
Could you be more direct with your answer(s). I know you dont owe anyone an answer, but the only way to prove others’ statement wrong, and thereby prove yourself right is to provide proof!
You were asked where exactly you stand with respect to the MA “2-3 yrs business plan/model”, and you answer “I am 20% ahead of where the plan said I should be” … what?? What does that mean? Please translate to figures/dollar amount. We know that in a year a MA UFO spends at least $1500 to $2000 (excluding conference costs which could easily be another $1500 to $2000 at least).
So if you have been running your business for 3yrs, we multiply all the figures by 3. So where are you from a profit stand point or from a “making residual income that translates to profit” stand point (meaning getting “paid/commission paychecks” from MA).
Your response is appreciated.
@mssi2
Bad press examples – SEC, (Gilbert A. Zwetsch and James H. Ridinger U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia, Civil Action Number 99-1088 (LFO) (May 4, 1999)), HAHAH illegal sale of Market America stock!!! JR got lucky with a fine of merely $404,694. LMAO!!!
pyramidschemealert.org, pissedconsumer.com, scam.com, youtube, yahoo.com, and best of all word of mouth, are further examples. I have not heard one positive comment about it from anyone outside the distributor network. Their bad press is everywhere, mssi. And you ask me to provide one example? And please, don’t say that the above examples don’t count or are not legitimate. That will just make you look even more ridiculous. LOL
And yes, I’ve seen you get destroyed in an argument. You lost to Cranwood, here on this very site. He exposed you for your blatant half truth on your “16/4/1 System”. LOL that was just a brutal beating. Didn’t want to dig up old wounds, but hey you asked me to LOL.
For the record, you do not simply state facts. You state some facts, and some half-truths, and sometimes a person like Cranwood will come along and beat you into verbal tap out/ submission.
The 16/4/1 system holds very true.. i just got sick of argueing it… The guy was full of crap and still is.. Im right he is wrong… DEAD WRONG… your the only one getting beat here..Do you even know what PRESS is??.. Blogs, message boards, and crap like this is not press..its just opinion.
So is that the best you can do for bad press? The accounting thing from 1999????? They went public and filed some stuff wrong and wound up buying it back.. An owner thats willing to put $30million out of his own pocket to protect the distributors from stock holders is a bad thing?? They got fined for it because they trusted an independant firm to file correctly.. they made a mistake and paid the price.. Big friggin deal… Whats your next moot point?
@kobie.. In response to income.. Its not actually legal to make income claims.. Just because Im making the money Im making doesnt mean you would do the same..I dont know if you would put in the work and YOU have no idea how much effort i put in if any.. Its just a silly idea to base one persons potential success on what someone else does..
Perhaps i can word it this way.. Since the business plan is setup to get the average person to a 6 figure income in 2 to 3 years with an 8-12 hr a week effort, and i have put an average of 4 hrs a week in for 2 years i must be doing over $1000/week right? Well im at least doing that on the residual and not including any retail profit.. I replaced my wifes income and medical bennefits from the medical practice she worked in for 18 years within the first year.. Even if it was JUST $1000/week.. thats a hell of allot of money to have as a RESIDUAL income.. Do you have any idea how many foreclosures would be saved with even $300/month?…
A thousand bucks a week is not that big of a deal for me as I do 9 times that with a traditional business I own but at a cost of 70 hrs a week… Im making way more per hour with this part time gig.
Operating costs are more like $3000 to $5000 per year including transfer buys.. The Average UFO company wide earns over $75,000 per year… The next closet company in direct sales pays an average of about $1900/ year when comparing apples to apples..
Nathan & the others.. If you hate direct sales thats fine.. many people do.. As direct sales goes though, this is the best you can get BAR NONE!!! Not only does it have the highest success rates in all of direct sales… It has the highest success rates by some 70% – 80%… If you dont like Direct sales just say it… Dont single out the best performing company in the industry and call it a scam because you dont believe in the industry because it just makes you guys look really silly…
80% of people that are full time in direct sales make a 6 figure income, only 10% do it in traditional employment…. 80% of females in the US that make a 6 figure income are doing it with direct sales….
to keep it simple my 1099 will show OVER 60k/ yr with less than $5000/yr total operating costs..
4 hrs/week for 2-3 years (its not quite 3 yet)… Even if the income doesnt go up I dont think 60+K per year that i can will to my family for 600 hrs of work is a bad deal at all..
If you can show me a better ROI someplace else, please share..
@ Nathan Tam and all other doubters
Haven’t you realized by now that we are all idiots? We are all just jealous and uneducated, since we didn’t get involved with MA and we missed the boat. But guess what? I have good news! I’ve started a business of my own. The annual operating cost is only about 75 cents. Basically, you buy these magic beans and plant them. It only requires about 4 minutes/week for maintenance. Water the beans twice a week for 2 minutes. Eventually, in 2-3 years, a bean tree will grow and you can climb it up to the clouds, where you will find a castle filled with gold and OPC-3!
And to keep it simple, last year my 1099 shows over 100k/yr for my bean business. In fact, my 1099 is so impressive that I’ve decided to upgrade it to a 1099.5 this year. Did I say 100k/yr? Sorry, I meant per month. For each of the 13 months in 2011, I made 100k.
Would you like to get involved? There are only a few requirements.. first, you have to borrow money from all of your friends and family and never pay it back. Second, you have to lie to as many people as you can about how successful you are. Third, you need to have all your little goons go on websites and make stuff up about how successul the business is.
Oh, and you are required to attend at least two conferences (a.k.a. brainwashing sessions) a year in the great state of East Carolina. We are so awesome that we’ve invented our own state in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean. Make sure you come, and scam along as many people as you can to come with you, because this is how we make most of our money. I’ve hired at least two C-list celebrities who will do anything for a buck this year to endorse our company.
And remember, don’t playa hate.. participate!
@mssi2
HAHAHAHAHAH I love it. All the bad stuff, that isn’t press, that’s opinion. All the good stuff, that’s fact. Isn’t that right, mssi2? LMAO!
Ok, mssi2, let’s try this: quote me the source of your claim that 80% of people that are full time in direct sales make a 6 figure income.” Let’s get to the bottom of this once and for all. I challenge you.
Mssi2, let me explain to you my rebuttal against your “facts”, beginning with your aforementioned claim of 80% of full-timers in direct sales making 6 figures. Goto:
w w w . dsa . org / research/ industry-statistics/ 10gofactsheet . pdf
Note, mssi2, this source is from the Direct Sellers Association itself!!! What percentage of direct sellers are full-time? It clearly says for 2009, 7.5%. What’s 80% of 7.5%? Answer: 6%. Are you seriously going to stand there and claim that 6 percent of direct sellers made a six-figure income in 2009??? LMFAO!
By extension, Market America has a salesforce of over 200,000 reps. 6% of this is 12,000 reps. Are you saying that 12,000 reps at MA are full-time making at least six-figures??? Let’s not forget that you claim Market America is even better than other Direct Sellers. You claim that Market America has the highest success rates by some 70-80%. Though it’s not clear what you mean here, one can reasonably assume that this 12,000 reps figure should be even higher, say by at least 70%. 12,000 * 1.70 = 20,400 full-time reps making six-figures!!!
I have just two words here, mssi2: FUCKING BULLSHIT!!!
Ok, next one: what percentage of direct sellers are female? Answer for 2009: 82.4%. 82.4% of the 6% that make a six-figure income = 4.94%. 4.94% divided by 80% = 6.18%.
Thus you are claiming that 6.18% of women in the US make a six-figure income. According to US Census Bureau Document S2001 for 2009, only 5.0% of women make a six-figure income. mssi2, from where are your numbers coming from?
Ok, next you say the 16/4/1 System holds true, but you “just got tired of arguing it.” WRONG AGAIN! Cranwood destroyed you, and in fact he got you to admit that YOU DON’T EVEN USE THE 16/4/1 SYSTEM YOURSELF!!! HAHAHAHAHAH!!! He also **MATHEMATICALLY PROVED** that if such a system existed, Market America would achieve WORLD DOMINATION within something like 6 years. Hmm….gee, mssi2, your facts aren’t looking factual.
For the record, the reason you stopped arguing is that you were getting crushed and flustered, and you know it. Nice try!!!
So, mssi2, are these the “facts” on which your arguments rest?
@mssi2,
Your response is the “truth” , NOT facts, right? I asked you the prior question for you to give me the “truth” from your own earnings/business; NOT claims or facts, because facts can lie sometimes; SOMETIMES; while claims are just the worst.
Based on your response/explanation, I have two/three questions for you, again you aren’t obligated/don’t have to answer, but things are not adding up, and in order for stuff to make sense, things have to add up.
- How many people are under you?
- When did you activate and how many people have left (i.e. quit MA) from under you since you activated?
I will give some of my views once I get answers to these questions. Thanks.